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Post by JD on Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:56 pm

First, I'll state, if possible, we need to make the land tribal, this means we have to follow tribal laws (very lax and can be modified), and we operate outside of traditional US laws. Benefits of this include growing any crops considered useful for 'tribal' activities. No federal tax. A fairly open system.

The governing body of our land needs to be 3 party, nearly identical to the government enacted by the US constitution (just better).

Set of laws:
1. All residents are required to hold some form of employment beneficial to the town, pending that they are at least 18 years of age, allowing for safe labor for all 14+.
2. Yearly 'dues' will be required for each resident, not a massive amount, but enough to build and maintain property.
3. Until more land is available, each resident must have at least 1 roommate (space permitting).
4. Each land owning resident must create and maintain a produce garden until a steady stream of produce becomes available.
5. There will be a market that will meet every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Each resident must offer services or goods beneficial to other residents that can be displays/sold at the market.
6. Standard US laws must apply, with exceptions. (no murder, theft, etc).
7. There must be at least 3 on duty officers at any given time, with at least 12 officers in the town.
8. Should the property be classified as tribal lands, any goods banned by the US government must remain on the property (i.e. illicit drugs).

More to come.

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Post by MultiAnonymousG on Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:00 pm

so far it sound pretty good
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Post by MedicalAnon on Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:01 pm

jdhfighter wrote:First, I'll state, if possible, we need to make the land tribal, this means we have to follow tribal laws (very lax and can be modified), and we operate outside of traditional US laws. Benefits of this include growing any crops considered useful for 'tribal' activities. No federal tax. A fairly open system.

The governing body of our land needs to be 3 party, nearly identical to the government enacted by the US constitution (just better).

Set of laws:
1. All residents are required to hold some form of employment beneficial to the town, pending that they are at least 18 years of age, allowing for safe labor for all 14+.
2. Yearly 'dues' will be required for each resident, not a massive amount, but enough to build and maintain property.
3. Until more land is available, each resident must have at least 1 roommate (space permitting).
4. Each land owning resident must create and maintain a produce garden until a steady stream of produce becomes available.
5. There will be a market that will meet every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Each resident must offer services or goods beneficial to other residents that can be displays/sold at the market.
6. Standard US laws must apply, with exceptions. (no murder, theft, etc).
7. There must be at least 3 on duty officers at any given time, with at least 12 officers in the town.
8. Should the property be classified as tribal lands, any goods banned by the US government must remain on the property (i.e. illicit drugs).

More to come.

1. No. While I agree on principal people need to help you cant do that without affecting freedom.Wat do we do when someone retires?
2. It's called taxes. This isnt some high profile uppity neighborhood.
3. No. You pay for your land, get a roommate if you want to lower cost.
4. Good on principle. Not going to force people to do that shit.
5. Forcing people to do stuff again. Not smart.
6. Finally, yes.
7. 12 officers/200 ish people? no. Fuck the police. We deal with that later.
8. Sounds good to me..

I think we can basically CopyPasta laws from some other shit town and then amend them as we want. No need to draft 400 pages of new laws...

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Post by Mephisto893 on Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:07 pm

would it be possible to have the taxes part monetary, part food, and instead of everyone fending for themselves, at least in the early months, have something of a dispensary to keep rations sustainable? after we get stable, then we can have an open market free trade, etc. i think i the beginning, it would just cultivate crime, some people having food and others not. thoughts?
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Post by JD on Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:11 pm

MedicalAnon wrote:
jdhfighter wrote:First, I'll state, if possible, we need to make the land tribal, this means we have to follow tribal laws (very lax and can be modified), and we operate outside of traditional US laws. Benefits of this include growing any crops considered useful for 'tribal' activities. No federal tax. A fairly open system.

The governing body of our land needs to be 3 party, nearly identical to the government enacted by the US constitution (just better).

Set of laws:
1. All residents are required to hold some form of employment beneficial to the town, pending that they are at least 18 years of age, allowing for safe labor for all 14+.
2. Yearly 'dues' will be required for each resident, not a massive amount, but enough to build and maintain property.
3. Until more land is available, each resident must have at least 1 roommate (space permitting).
4. Each land owning resident must create and maintain a produce garden until a steady stream of produce becomes available.
5. There will be a market that will meet every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Each resident must offer services or goods beneficial to other residents that can be displays/sold at the market.
6. Standard US laws must apply, with exceptions. (no murder, theft, etc).
7. There must be at least 3 on duty officers at any given time, with at least 12 officers in the town.
8. Should the property be classified as tribal lands, any goods banned by the US government must remain on the property (i.e. illicit drugs).

More to come.

1. No. While I agree on principal people need to help you cant do that without affecting freedom.Wat do we do when someone retires?
2. It's called taxes. This isnt some high profile uppity neighborhood.
3. No. You pay for your land, get a roommate if you want to lower cost.
4. Good on principle. Not going to force people to do that shit.
5. Forcing people to do stuff again. Not smart.
6. Finally, yes.
7. 12 officers/200 ish people? no. Fuck the police. We deal with that later.
8. Sounds good to me..

I think we can basically CopyPasta laws from some other shit town and then amend them as we want. No need to draft 400 pages of new laws...

I understand that my proposition seems almost communist at nature, but I believe we need to have something like this in affect for at least the first 4 years, simply because without this sort of stability, socialization of the area will be nearly impossible.

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Post by LaezE Boy on Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:12 pm

Mephisto893 wrote:would it be possible to have the taxes part monetary, part food, and instead of everyone fending for themselves, at least in the early months, have something of a dispensary to keep rations sustainable? after we get stable, then we can have an open market free trade, etc. i think i the beginning, it would just cultivate crime, some people having food and others not. thoughts?

it would be nice for starting out anyway, if we could pool at least part of our recourses until we all get a feel for what it will be like.
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Post by JD on Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:15 pm

Anonymouse wrote:
Mephisto893 wrote:would it be possible to have the taxes part monetary, part food, and instead of everyone fending for themselves, at least in the early months, have something of a dispensary to keep rations sustainable? after we get stable, then we can have an open market free trade, etc. i think i the beginning, it would just cultivate crime, some people having food and others not. thoughts?

it would be nice for starting out anyway, if we could pool at least part of our recourses until we all get a feel for what it will be like.

I don't expect the government to force the residents to do anything, but until steady resources are available, we have to come together as a community to aid everyone else. Consider it a social experiment.

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Post by RaTaTaT on Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:51 pm

Minarchist Libertarian i think would be best, straight up, we really won't have the need for many taxes as we won't have a welfare system because broke people cannot live in anontown. If children aren't allowed to be born or raised there no need for it. The bare minimum of tax would be paid to maintain security, health and safety. This could easily be done. If we offer our services to each other in a new fairer exchange where the bottom tier of people cannot achieve the basic services then the system fails.

The difficult part would be these things, doctors don't come cheap, and the ensuing sty will probably be pretty unhealthy place to live.

Ideally, there would be no need for security since we could trust our /b/ros but sure enough there will be trolls so... need to keep them under control. The U.S. government would hardly let us govern ourselves btw.

In our '/b/rave new world' it still will exist within the U.S. until we get big enough... but i think there would be a war before we emancipated... lol. That could be fun.
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Post by JD on Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:53 pm

RaTaTaT wrote:Minarchist Libertarian i think would be best, straight up, we really won't have the need for many taxes as we won't have a welfare system because broke people cannot live in anontown. If children aren't allowed to be born or raised there no need for it. The bare minimum of tax would be paid to maintain security, health and safety. This could easily be done. If we offer our services to each other in a new fairer exchange where the bottom tier of people cannot achieve the basic services then the system fails.

The difficult part would be these things, doctors don't come cheap, and the ensuing sty will probably be pretty unhealthy place to live.

Ideally, there would be no need for security since we could trust our /b/ros but sure enough there will be trolls so... need to keep them under control. The U.S. government would hardly let us govern ourselves btw.

In our '/b/rave new world' it still will exist within the U.S. until we get big enough... but i think there would be a war before we emancipated... lol. That could be fun.

One thing I was looking into was getting city-wide free internet bordering on 14mbps-50mbps, if we had 300 people and had a 2% tax as well as a minimal yearly tax, we could easily afford massive amounts of town oriented funding and high speed internet.

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Post by anon on Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:55 pm

Any privacy given to couples?

What's the ruling on trailers? Do we want to take any steps to preventing a trailer parkolypse?
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Post by JD on Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:01 pm

anon wrote:Any privacy given to couples?

What's the ruling on trailers? Do we want to take any steps to preventing a trailer parkolypse?

Any type of permanent or semi-permanent abode will be acceptable while the town gets on its feet. As for couples, I'd recommend a roomate still, but you are entitled to your privacy as well.

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Post by anon on Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:04 pm

I think forcing there to be roomates with couples is a terrible idea, to be frank.

Yeah, while starting up, but where do we draw the line between town and trailer park?

Seriously, I think this is important.
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Post by JD on Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:13 pm

anon wrote:I think forcing there to be roomates with couples is a terrible idea, to be frank.

Yeah, while starting up, but where do we draw the line between town and trailer park?

Seriously, I think this is important.

The town will have to progress as the coming years progress, if we want to secure a federal or private grant, we'll have to label this as a social experiment, essentially pulling people entirely out of their element, and seeing if it is plausible that this could suceed.

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Post by howdyho on Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:23 pm

With only ~200 residents, everyone should have a direct say in the laws of the town. Ultimately a law is good for the town if the majority of the town agrees to it. I believe any proposed law that is agreed to by 2/3 of the population should become law.

There will be some laws that are required for the well being of the town, but will not be approved by 2/3 of the population (ex. taxes). Laws such as these will need to be handled by the town government.

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Post by howdyho on Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:26 pm

I also believe there should be some sort of requirement for education and skill building, perhaps with community classes. Ultimately the more that town residents are able to do the less dependence there will be on outsiders.

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Post by Hobo on Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:11 pm

Laws are something that I would advise against trying to nail down before we have the residents assembled. With a community so small we have the opportunity for a direct democracy to figure out and vote on laws. We should take advantage of that.

As for my personal feelings while we should work on making a tight knit community I don't think required classes and forced roommates are good policies. By all means make it evident that these are good ideas that should be taken seriously but don't force them on people. People should be willing to be involved in community activities and making sure the town thrives by choice. Not everyone is going to agree that everything is going to be necessary.

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Post by LetsDoThis on Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:47 pm

Two laws:

1) Don't be a dick
2) Don't be a whiny bitch

If everyone follows those laws life will be perfect.
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Post by Dmanrlz2 on Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:44 pm

I agree with Hobo, these are all good ideas. But we really should wait till we get everyone together to set all the laws up. And a simple 2/3rds Majority seems like it would work.
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Post by mitebcool on Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:29 pm

LetsDoThis wrote:Two laws:

1) Don't be a dick
2) Don't be a whiny bitch

If everyone follows those laws life will be perfect.

One problem, if there are no dicks or whiny bitches then what will we complain about?
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Post by LetsDoThis on Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:35 pm

mitebcool wrote:
LetsDoThis wrote:Two laws:

1) Don't be a dick
2) Don't be a whiny bitch

If everyone follows those laws life will be perfect.

One problem, if there are no dicks or whiny bitches then what will we complain about?

Lack of food and the heat.
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Post by Madman on Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:17 am

As an alternative to the forced roommates that have been suggested, why not just offer tax incentives based on the number of people sharing a dwelling? For instance, with two people together, they could each pay 2/3 the normal tax rate. If 4 lived together, they could pay 40%, etc. Perhaps with a cap of a certain number of residents per dwelling.

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Post by Mephisto893 on Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:22 am

i like that idea. although maybe not those numbers.

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Post by Madman on Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:27 am

What would you say is a more reasonable incentive?

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Post by Mephisto893 on Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:30 am

i'm just saying that a 60% cut for 4 people might be a little high. i'm wouldn't know, just sounds that way. fluffysheep is the financial go-to.

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Post by Xolotl on Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:10 am

As a community maybe we could find a general product for all of us to work for which would support the community. An example would be all of us working at a distillery which sells its beer to bars in the local area or over the internet. Then we wouldn't need taxes at all and could hive mind during the day and party at night.

Also I agree with Hobo about Laws. Let this town have an identity before you try to identify it with bureaucracy.
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Post by BaseballBob on Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:28 pm

We only really need the basics when it comes to laws. Respect people's property, follow the golden rule, and don't hurt anyone else. Really, I think that once the project gets off the ground and people start getting to the town, things can work if we follow free market principles. We don't need to collect taxes if everyone contributes and if everyone is able to be self sufficient. Of course, voluntary assistance is fine, and if people want to teach their skills to others, things would work. I personally love the idea of getting grants for alternative energy developments, and we could keep the Fed off our backs if we are listed as a tribal land. We need to be creative and think outside the box, otherwise we won't get this off the ground. That's my opinion anyway for what it's worth.

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Post by Xolotl on Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:59 pm

No Rape. No Murder. No Stealing.

These should be the laws. Other than that its up in the air. I personally am ok with someone having drugs or whatever if they are willing to cop to it if the heat comes. If one person who owns the drugs tells the police it is their drugs the community would be fine and if he refuses to own up I am not against fingering him to protect everyone.
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Post by sa1vat1on on Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:00 am

There needs to be some sort of "no-bitchin" rule. We can't be working on an important project to have the feds crashing the party because someone was stupid.
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Post by LetsDoThis on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:09 pm

sa1vat1on wrote:There needs to be some sort of "no-bitchin" rule. We can't be working on an important project to have the feds crashing the party because someone was stupid.

You're dumb.
We won't have to ever worry about feds because we WON'T BE DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
Get it through your thick skulls people.
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Post by ScrotyMcBoogerBalls on Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:43 am

I hope people will get serious about this, but there needs to be SOME sort of police. Elected people who can be taken out of their position at any time. They will be armed and can make arrests, but will not have many if any other kinds of special treatment.

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